Florida Deficiency Judgment

I have heard a lot of talk about what to do when we get a 1099c.  What about if we *don’t* get a 1099c?

I am currently in the process of negotiating a shortslae with my lender, CHASE.  I am using a very qualified third party negotiator (law firm) to help me.  So far, we have gotten acceptance of our offer and all of the terms we wanted *except* the release.  In other words, the “investor” who owns my loan says they will not sign a release for the debt amount if I go through with the short sale which means there is a very good chance I will *not* get a 1099c and therefore my debt is not “cancelled”. 

So, my question is, if my first mortgage debt is still hanging out there and is not cancelled, what effect will that have on my credit??  I happen to know that lenders are not currently pursuing borrowers for outstanding debt…YET.  If they were, they would start sending me letters and asking for payments and eventually, if I don’t pay, send the whole thing to collections where it could potentially be “charged off”.  However, lenders aren’t doing that…and my lender has said they won’t cancel my debt either.  So, without a cancellation or charge off, what do I have?  What happens to my credit?  Do I just have this open credit line hanging out there with no payments against it?  By the way, we are talking about nearly $100K in debt in the state of Florida.  And this is not my primary residence.  Supposedly, the “investor” is Wells Fargo…even though the loan is serviced by CHASE.

I may still have some negotiating room with the lender because nothing has been officially signed yet.
THANKS!
Greg

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Hello Greg,

Based on what you’ve written, Chase will be treating the proceeds of the sale the same as if you made a payment on the account and the remaining deficiency balance will be reported as owed.  This is referred to as a lien release only and is far from the desired full release solution.  Bear in mind that Florida’s statute of limitations is five years and if at any time in the next half decade following a lien release in Florida, the debtor appears collectible, a separate lawsuit may be brought to recover the remaining balance plus interest.

Overall, this does not sound like much of a solution to the problem and I would recommend clicking on the ‘short sale’ category on the right hand side of the blog to become familiar with the difference between lien release and full release and ways to defeat the sneaky tricks and games that lenders play when negotiating short sales.

Thanks for the questions and hope this helps.

Paul

This author is not an attorney and this information should not be considered legal advice.  Please consult an attorney for legal advice.

“We’re taking these steps to highlight the importance of working with your servicer,” said Terence Edwards, executive vice president for credit portfolio management. “Walking away from a mortgage is bad for borrowers and bad for communities and our approach is meant to deter the disturbing trend toward strategic defaulting. On the flip side, borrowers facing hardship who make a good faith effort to resolve their situation with their servicer will preserve the option to be considered for a future Fannie Mae loan in a shorter period of time.”

Fannie Mae will also take legal action to recoup the outstanding mortgage debt from borrowers who strategically default on their loans in jurisdictions that allow for deficiency judgments. In an announcement next month, the company will be instructing its servicers to monitor delinquent loans facing foreclosure and put forth recommendations for cases that warrant the pursuit of deficiency judgments.

The bank sold the home for far less than Palacios owed on it, as often happens with foreclosures. What Palacios did not see coming was the letter from his lender demanding that he pay the shortfall: $148,064.02. “I really thought I was through with this house,” said Palacios, who fell behind on payments when the economy soured and his cleaning business stumbled.

Over the past year, lenders have become much more aggressive in trying to recoup money lost in foreclosures and other distressed sales, creating more grief for people who thought their real estate headaches were far behind.

In many localities — including Virginia, Maryland and the District — lenders have the right to pursue borrowers whose homes have sold at a loss to collect the difference between what the property sold for and what the borrower owed on it, also called a deficiency.

Before the housing bust, when the volume of foreclosures was relatively low, lenders seldom bothered to chase after deficiencies because borrowers had few remaining assets to claim and doing so involved hassles and costs. But with foreclosures soaring, lenders are more determined to get their money back, especially if they suspect borrowers are skipping out on loan they could afford, an increasingly common practice in areas where home values have tanked.

Palacios said he was committed to staying in his house, which he bought in 2005. He sunk $20,000 into improving it and hoped to raise his children there. But his lender refused to modify his loan, he said. To avoid personal liability for the deficiency, Palacios is filing for bankruptcy protection, as many people do who are in similar situations, said Nancy Ryan, his bankruptcy attorney.

“I am definitely seeing more people come through my door who walked away from houses a year or two ago and thought they were as free as the dead,” Ryan said. “They’re stunned when they realize they’re not.”

Several lenders contacted for this story declined to say how often they pursue deficiencies. But many said they try to collect the debt if they conclude the borrower can repay all or part of it.

“Lenders are not going after people who face a hardship,” said John Mechem, a spokesman for the Mortgage Bankers Association. “If they can’t pay their mortgage because they have a loss of income, there is no point in going after them.”

Those who had a second mortgage, such as a home-equity line of credit, in addition to their primary mortgage may find themselves particularly vulnerable, especially if they tapped into the equity line for cash.

Second lenders are last in line to get paid when a distressed property is sold. There’s usually little or no money left over for them, making it more likely that they will pursue large deficiencies, several attorneys said.

Gretchen Somers said she and her husband understood the risks last year when they completed a “short sale,” a transaction that allowed them to sell their Manassas home for about $150,000 less than they owed on it. But they felt they had no other options.

Somers said her family hung onto the house as long as possible. They tried but failed to sell it when her husband was transferred to Arizona for his job in early 2006, just as home prices were softening. They moved back into the house then tried to sell it again in 2008, after their adjustable-rate mortgage reset and their monthly mortgage payment nearly doubled. But home prices had plunged further by then, making it even tougher to sell.

Last year, their first lender and their home-equity line lender granted permission for the short sale. But the second lender reserved the right to come after the couple. Six months later, a collection agency called demanding $85,000 for related losses.

In hindsight, Somers said she and her husband should have just walked away from the house. “We took care of the house because we wanted it to sell,” Somers said. “If they were going to come after us anyway, we shouldn’t have done them the favor of making sure it looked good and cutting the grass even after we moved out, We should have mailed them the key and said: ‘Here you go.’ ”

Carlos Cortez and his wife managed to escape that fate after their second lender came after them for $70,000 when their short sale was completed on his Manassas Park townhouse in 2008.

Cortez knew that was a possibility, but he went through with the sale because his real estate agent said the lender was engaging in scare tactics.

James Scruggs, an attorney at Legal Services of Northern Virginia, said the lender appears to have backed off after Cortez argued that that the loan officer falsely qualified him and his wife for a home-equity line by fabricating key details about their finances.

A handful of states do not allow lenders to pursue deficiencies, nor does a federal program that took effect April 10. Lenders participating in that initiative are paid for approving short sales and as a condition, they cannot go after outstanding debt.

In many states, lenders can go after deficiencies, though laws vary widely, said John Rao, an attorney at the National Consumer Law Center. Some states limit how long the banks have to file a claim or collect the debt. Others may calculate deficiencies based on the fair-market value of the house, Rao said. For instance, if a home sells for $200,000 yet its fair market value is $250,000, “the borrower who owes $240,000 on the mortgage would not have a deficiency,” he said.

Borrowers should get a waiver in writing from their lenders to protect themselves, said Diane Cipollone, an attorney at the nonprofit Civil Justice. “Nobody should assume the deficiency is forgiven,” she said.

It’s a beautiful thing – another wonderful day in the world of short sales.

Chase Short Sale with No Deficiency

In the “agreement” it has a checkmark next to “full satisfaction” and not “partial satisfaction” of loan.

Under “Value of Property” heading it reads:
Borrower and Lender hereby agree that as of the date of this agreement, the fair market value of the property is estimated at approx the amount owed to the lender, and said value shall be used in all closing and settlement statements for the conveyance of the property to lender.”

We had no HUD statement, we had no closing docs other than the deed and misc filings that ever had an actual amount. How do I know how much was forgiven? Is it silly for to think that they did a straight across trade – our house for full satisfacation and we will not get a 1099 or deficiency judgement in the future?

We have just received a “Release and Satisfaction of Mortgage” filed with the beuearu of conveyances from MERS that boilerplates the “full payment and satisfaction”.

I have the feeling that this is just a document that allows them to get free title and doesn’t actually mean we have been “released” of payment and/or forgiven debt and/or deficiency judgement? Am I correct on this?

This was a deed in lieu, not a shortsale or foreclosure – do I still need to worry about what they sold the house for? Will that decide a figure for me?

What in the world am I really looking for in the way of documents that lets me know where I stand with forgiven debt or deficiency judgement? What are the magical words you want to see in this case?

Lot’s of questions… sorry… I can’t seem to find an answer from anyone… including a 300.00 per hour “real estate” attorney who started taking notes from ME! Ugh.

Thank you for your help…

Monica

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Hi Monica,

It looks to me like you won’t receive a 1099 and won’t be pursued for a deficiency.  Additionally, the balance on the credit report should be zero. 

A DIL generates a 1099-A for the difference between the principal balance on the loan less the value of the property at time of conveyance.  Since the agreement states ‘the fair market value of the property is estimated at approx the amount owed to the lender’, then yes it was a straight trade.

Thanks for the questions and hope this helps.

Paul

This author is not an attorney and this information should not be considered legal advice.  Please consult an attorney for legal advice.

Milinda

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Hi Milinda,

You’ve got the FDCPA, FCCPA, RESPA and other consumer laws that may provide some protection, but Florida is a judicial foreclosure state and lenders may seek a deficiency judgment for the difference between the full mortgage balance and the value of the home at time of foreclosure.

There is a lot of information on the Broken Credit Blog regarding these subjects so my best advice is to start reading.

Thanks for the questions and hope this helps.

Paul

This author is not an attorney and this information should not be considered legal advice.  Please consult an attorney for legal advice.

King is among a rising number of borrowers who are learning that they can be on the hook for years after losing their homes. Amid a crisis that stripped $6.4 trillion, or 28 percent, from the value of U.S. residential real estate since the 2006 peak, lenders are exercising their rights to pursue unpaid mortgage balances. To get their money, they can seize wages, tap bank accounts and put liens on other assets held by debtors.

“The big dogs get a bailout, and the little man gets no mercy,” said King, 39, referring to the U.S. government’s rescue of banks and other financial institutions.

While there are no statistics on the number of deficiency judgments approved by courts, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. tracks the amount banks collect after defaulted loans were written off.

These mortgage recoveries rose 48 percent to a record $1.01 billion in the first nine months of last year compared with the year-earlier period, according to the Washington-based regulator. Recoveries on defaulted home-equity loans almost doubled to $392 million, the FDIC data shows.

The figures don’t include money retrieved by trusts overseeing mortgage-backed securities, such as the one that holds the loan on King’s former home, or efforts by distressed- asset funds and companies that buy bad loans to profit from collection rights. Judgments such as the one levied against King usually tack on court fees, fines and interest.

‘Next Big Crisis’

Deficiency judgments were rare in the 15 years since the last real estate slump, said Ben Hillard, a former investment banker who now is a real estate and corporate attorney at Hillard & Rogers in Largo, Florida.

“The banks have been too underwater with foreclosures to spend much time on deficiency judgments, but that’s beginning to change,” Hillard said in an interview. “This is going to be the next big crisis.”

Almost 4.5 percent of mortgaged U.S. homes were in foreclosure during the third quarter, the highest rate in the 37 years of tracking the data, the Mortgage Bankers Association said Nov. 19. A record one in every 10 mortgages was at least one payment overdue in the same period, the Washington-based trade group reported.

The Obama administration is seeking to modify as many as 4 million loans by 2012 to prevent foreclosures through the Home Affordable Modification Program, which cuts monthly payments to about a third of borrowers’ income. By the end of December, the program was responsible for more than 850,000 modifications, the Treasury Department said in a Jan. 15 report.

20-Year Window

The federal government spent $230 billion in the year ended in September to support homeowners, according to the Congressional Budget Office in Washington. Those efforts didn’t help people who had already walked away from their houses.

In states such as Florida, courts give mortgage holders as long as five years to seek a deficiency judgment and, if granted, up to 20 years to collect. Usually, they have the option of renewing the judgment if it’s not paid off within 20 years.

About a third of U.S. states, including California and Arizona, prohibit collection efforts on primary residences after foreclosure. In some cases, homeowners waive that protection if they refinance. Most states allow collection on unpaid home equity loans.

Depression-Era Protections

The laws in states that protect some borrowers stem from the Great Depression in the 1930s, when a lack of bidders at foreclosure auctions caused deficiencies that, with added fees and interest, sometimes were bigger than the original loan amount, according to a 1934 Virginia Law Review article by Sol Phillips Perlman. Today, many courts measure the shortfall using a property’s market value at the time of foreclosure rather than auction results.

The likeliest candidates for deficiency judgments are so- called rational defaults, said Larry Tolchinsky, a real estate attorney in Hallandale Beach, Florida. In those cases, people who are current on their mortgages decide to walk away from a property because its value has sunk so far below their loan balance they have no hope of recouping the loss.

About 21 percent of American homeowners owe more on their mortgages than their properties are worth, according to Zillow.com, a Seattle-based real estate data firm.

“Walking away from a property comes with a cost, especially for people who otherwise have good credit,” Tolchinsky said in an interview. “The bank is going to pull your credit report, and if you’re current on your other bills they are going to come after you and potentially ruin you.”

Fine Print

It’s not just foreclosures that can trigger debt collections. Short sales also may lead to deficiency judgments years after former homeowners have moved on, according to Hillard, the attorney in Largo. In a short sale, lenders agree to let borrowers sell a home for less than the mortgage balance.

“Banks are being very careful to preserve their rights, either outright in the short sale agreement or by using vague language that leaves that door open,” Hillard said. About 90 percent of people who do a short sale think they are “off the hook.”

That was the case when two of his clients, Brigitte and John Howard, sold their home in New Port Richey, Florida, almost two years ago without using a lawyer to check the bank’s short- sale agreement.

$20,000 Shock

“We got a call out of the blue saying we owed $20,000,” said Brigitte Howard, 45. “It was a shock. There was no mention in the short-sale contract that the bank might come after us for the difference.”

The money King owes to the Soundview Home Loan asset-backed security that holds the mortgage on his former Coral Gables condominium consists of $38,000 for unpaid principal and almost $6,000 in legal fees and interest accrued prior to the ruling. According to the judgment, the security can charge 8 percent interest until he pays off the debt.

King, who said his default was caused by a reduction in his income, now rents near Fort Lauderdale, Florida, where he teaches ballroom dancing.

“I thought the foreclosure was the worst of a bad situation, but it’s not,” said King. “The people who got sucked into the real estate bubble are still paying for it, even after they’ve taken our homes.”

My soon to be Ex-Husband and I bought a home in December of 2008.  We are currently going through a divorce.  I chose to stay in the home with our children, after our seperation.  Now, several months later, I am unable to make the $2,200.00 Mortgage Payment on my own.  We have only owned the home for 1 year and our principal has only decreased by about $6,000 since we purchased it.  This leaves no room to pay a realator’s comission and the closing costs, even if we could get it to sell for the original purchase price.  To make matters worse, our neighborhood builder went bankrupt.  We now have a new builder.  The new homes that are being built are smaller, but also much cheaper.

I have almost maxed out my credit card, taken a loan out against my 401K and borrowed money from my parents, just to pay the mortgage by the end of each month.  I have not yet fallen behind by 30 days, but I am creaping much closer. 

My real estate agent suggested a short sale.  My credit is not super and I am very concerned that by doing a short sale, it will drop my score considerably.  I have three children to support and need to be able to find somewhere else to live.  I want to make sure that my decision is a sound one. 

My lender (Citi Mortgage)offered to lower my payments to $1,450 for twelve months and submit a loan modification request to FHA (I have a FHA Loan – 30 yrs fixed @ 6.25%).  However, Citi Mortgage would expect a baloon payment of $10,000 at the end of the 12 months.  I can’t afford to pay that kind of money.  If I was to request the Loan Modification, would I be allowed to put my home on the market? 

I am having a very hard time figuring out what to do.  I can’t afford to pay the Mortgage and am starting to drown in debt because of it.  Which of these options would you suggest, given my circumstances?  Loan Modification or a Short Sale?  Any advice that you can offer would be great!!

Thanks,
Renee

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Hi Renee,

I would say that the most favorable option would be to reconcile with your husband and keep the home.  If that’s not possible then you should know that what Citi has offered is a repayment plan.  It sounds like your husband is an obligor on the loan, so if he is still gainfully employed then it may be difficult to qualify for a loan modification.

Similarly, a short sale would also factor in the husband’s income if he signed on the promissory note and could also present a challenge if your combined incomes are sufficient to cover the loan given your debts.  It is possible for the short sale to be approved and HUD may demand a promissory note be created for the deficiency.  It should be noted that HUD requires that an FHA loan be 31 days or more delinquent to close an FHA short sale or what HUD refers to as the ‘preforeclosure sale’ program.

I’m reminded of those famous words of Rodney King: “Can’t we all just get along?”

Which brings me to my advice for married people, which is always the same: stay married.

Thanks for the questions and hope this helps.

Paul

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I recently recieved a letter from a out of town Collection Agency stating that I owed 19K!!

I do not have the means to pay this debt, that’s why I loss the Property!

I know my credit is ruined but what else can they do to me! “You can’t squeeze blood from a turnip”…or can you???

Thanks for your advise

Scott

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Hello Scott,

A deficiency judgment is obtainable in Tennessee.  If it were me, I would start by answering the letter with a request for validation.

Read: Post-Foreclosure Collection Continues

Thanks for the questions and hope this helps. 

Paul

This author is not an attorney and this information should not be considered legal advice.  Please consult an attorney for legal advice.